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Savanha

Chenin Blanc - 2024
 € 8,55

Savanha

Shiraz/Pinotage - 2024
 € 8,55
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Delheim

EdelSpatz 375ml - 2022
 € 33,46
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Delheim

Pinotage Rosè - 2025
 € 10,24

Amarula

Amarula Cream
 € 25,18

Cape Town Gin Company

Black Rhino Gin
 € 26,76

Seven Springs

Sauvignon Blanc - 2021
 € 14,57
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Seven Springs

Pinot Noir - 2017
 € 20,00
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Seven Springs

Syrah Rosè - 2022
 € 14,82
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Spier

Methode Cap Classique Brut - 2023
 € 23,17

Slanghoek

Hanepoot Jerepigo - 2024
 € 18,38
Michelangelo International Wine & Spirits Awards

Cape Dreams

Pinotage Rosé - 2024
 € 10,00
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Vegani

Boekenhoutskloof

The Chocolate Block Magnum - 2023
 € 63,54

Dalla Cia

Sauvignon Blanc - 2023
 € 14,93
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Krone

Rosè Cuvee Brut - 2023
 € 18,30

Diemersdal

Noble Late Harvest 375ml - 2024
 € 19,01

Diemersfontein

Chenin Blanc - 2024
 € 14,38
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Seven Springs

Syrah - 2019
 € 19,51
Vegani

Boekenhoutskloof

Porcupine Ridge Rosè - 2024
 € 7,98
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Krone

Borealis Cuvee Brut - 2024
 € 18,30
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Groot Constantia

Grand Constance 375ml - 2021
 € 84,31
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Dalla Cia

Classico - 2022
 € 22,96
-10%
Vegani Organici

Boekenhoutskloof

Noble Late Harvest 375ml - 2022
Sconto 10%€ 42,74€ 47,49
Vegani

Saxenburg

Private Collection Chardonnay - 2023
 € 25,43
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Spier

Methode Cap Classique Brut Rosè - 2022
 € 23,17
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-15%

Kanonkop

Kadette Pinotage Rosè - 2025
Sconto 15%€ 8,61€ 10,13
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Vegani

Spier

Creative Block No. 5 - 2021
 € 26,42
-20%
Vegani

Saxenburg

Private Collection Sauvignon Blanc - 2024
Sconto 20%€ 12,14€ 15,18

Beyerskloof

Pinotage Dry Rosè - 2024
 € 12,34
-20%
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Krone

Amphora Blanc de Blancs - 2021
Sconto 20%€ 41,68€ 52,10

Slanghoek

Red Muscadel - 2024
 € 18,38
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Alvi's Drift

Viognier - 2024
 € 11,03
-20%
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Saxenburg

Private Collection Shiraz - 2020
Sconto 20%€ 22,23€ 27,79
-20%
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Krone

Kaaimansgat Blanc de Blancs - 2018
Sconto 20%€ 41,68€ 52,10
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Alvi's Drift

Sauvignon Blanc - 2024
 € 11,03
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Saxenburg

Private Collection Cabernet Sauvignon - 2021
 € 29,50
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Laborie

Methode Cap Classique Blanc de Blanc - 2019
 € 17,91
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Organici

Spier

Farmer Angus Organic Rosè - 2022
 € 36,55

Cape Dreams

Chardonnay - 2024
 € 9,75
-20%
Vegani

Saxenburg

Private Collection Pinotage - 2023
Sconto 20%€ 15,31€ 19,14
Veritas Awards

Laborie

Methode Cap Classique Brut
 € 15,43
Organici Vegani

Spier

Yellow Wood Organic Rosè - 2023
 € 15,98

Dalla Cia

Chardonnay - 2022
 € 20,99
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Saxenburg

Select Shiraz - 2019
 € 124,02

Laborie

Methode Cap Classique Rosè - 2021
 € 15,43
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Delheim

Vera Cruz Pinotage - 2021
 € 50,74
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Seven Springs

Chardonnay - 2019
 € 19,51
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Krone

Twee Jonge Gezellen Blanc de Blancs - 2021
 € 52,27

Cape Dreams

Shiraz - 2023
 € 10,39

Spier

Signature Pinotage - 2023
 € 11,50

Morgenster

Lourens River Valley - 2020
 € 26,17

Cape Town Gin Company

Classic Dry Gin
 € 26,76
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Morgenster

Reserve - 2016
 € 70,49

Diemersdal

Unwooded Chardonnay - 2024
 € 14,79

Cape Town Gin Company

Rooibos Red Gin
 € 26,76
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Diemersdal

Sauvignon Blanc - 2025
 € 14,79

Cape Town Gin Company

Pink Lady Gin
 € 26,76
-15%

Whalehaven

Viognier - 2023
Sconto 15%€ 12,38€ 14,57

Cape Town Gin Company

Gin Taster Pack
 € 11,59

Delheim

Gewurztraminer - 2023
 € 14,57

De Grendel

Koetshuis Sauvignon Blanc - 2024
 € 18,64

Alvi's Drift

Cabernet Sauvignon - 2023
 € 11,42

De Grendel

Op Die Berg Chardonnay - 2024
 € 24,81

Diemersdal

Shiraz - 2023
 € 18,86
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Diemersdal

Pinotage - 2024
 € 18,86
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Oak Valley

Beneath the Clouds Chardonnay - 2023
 € 23,17
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Diemersdal

Private Collection - 2022
 € 29,57
-20%
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Oak Valley

Groenlandberg Chardonnay - 2022
Sconto 20%€ 31,65€ 39,56
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Alvi's Drift

Chenin Blanc - 2024
 € 11,03
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Diemersfontein

Carpe Diem Pinotage Reserve - 2023
 € 35,96

Cape Dreams

Chenin Blanc - 2025
 € 9,75

Thokozani

Shiraz-Mourvèdre-Viognier - 2023
 € 15,07
Ultra Value Wine Challenge

Spier

Signature Cabernet Sauvignon - 2023
 € 11,50
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Diemersdal

Sauvignon Blanc Reserve - 2025
 € 24,77
Ultra Value Wine Challenge

Spier

Signature Shiraz - 2023
 € 11,50

Diemersdal

Winter Ferment Sauvignon Blanc - 2025
 € 20,74
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Vegani

Spier

Seaward Cabernet Sauvignon - 2022
 € 17,42

Diemersdal

Gruner Veltliner - 2023
 € 15,93

Diemersfontein

The Original Pinotage - 2023
 € 22,37
Vegani

Spier

Signature Chardonnay - 2024
 € 11,19
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Whalehaven

Pinotage - 2023
 € 20,37

Spier

Signature Chenin Blanc - 2025
 € 11,19
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De Grendel

Op Die Berg Pinot Noir - 2022
 € 24,81
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De Grendel

Rubaiyat - 2020
 € 34,57

Morgenster

Sauvignon Blanc - 2024
 € 13,83

Whalehaven

Sauvignon Blanc - 2024
 € 14,20

Idiom

Sangiovese - 2021
 € 28,05

Barista

Chardonnay - 2024
 € 9,88
-20%
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Oak Valley

Groenlandberg Pinot Noir - 2022
Sconto 20%€ 31,65€ 39,56
-10%
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Boekenhoutskloof

Semillon - 2021
Sconto 10%€ 42,74€ 47,49
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Oak Valley

Sounds of Silence Pinot Noir - 2023
 € 24,77
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Delheim

Chardonnay Sur Lie - 2022
 € 24,08
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Alvi's Drift

Pinotage - 2023
 € 11,42
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Delheim

Chenin Blanc Wild Ferment - 2024
 € 15,43

Cape Dreams

Pinotage - 2024
 € 10,39
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Oak Valley

Fountain of Youth Sauvignon Blanc - 2024
 € 17,58
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Diemersdal

Pinotage Reserve - 2023
 € 29,57
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Oak Valley

Stone & Steel Riesling - 2023
 € 17,58

Seven Springs

Chardonnay Unwooded - 2021
 € 14,57

Diemersdal

Malbec - 2023
 € 18,03
Ultra Value Wine Challenge

Spier

Signature Merlot - 2023
 € 11,50
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Vegani

Spier

Creative Block No. 2 - 2023
 € 18,03

Barista

Pinotage - 2024
 € 9,88
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Vegani

Spier

Seaward Chenin Blanc - 2024
 € 15,59
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Vegani

Boekenhoutskloof

The Chocolate Block - 2023
 € 26,86
Concours Mondial de Bruxelles
Vegani

Spier

Seaward Sauvignon Blanc - 2024
 € 15,59

Idiom

Semillon - 2021
 € 22,35
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Alvi's Drift

221 Chenin Blanc - 2024
 € 14,07
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Vegani

Spier

Seaward Pinotage - 2022
 € 17,42
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Alvi's Drift

Albertus Viljoen Chenin Blanc - 2023
 € 30,79
Gilbert & Gaillard - International Challenge

Morgenster

Cabernet Franc - 2022
 € 19,14
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Alvi's Drift

Reserve Chardonnay - 2022
 € 21,97

Dalla Cia

Pinot Noir - 2019
 € 66,80
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Alvi's Drift

Reserve CVC - 2022
 € 21,97
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Dalla Cia

Teano - 2017
 € 85,92
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De Grendel

Sauvignon Blanc - 2025
 € 11,61

Alvi's Drift

Merlot - 2023
 € 11,42
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Audacia

Cabernet Sauvignon - 2022
 € 22,22
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Groot Constantia

Sauvignon Blanc - 2024
 € 16,66
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Groot Constantia

Chardonnay - 2024
 € 29,13
Vegani Senza Solfiti Aggiunti

Audacia

Merlot - 2022
 € 22,22
Decanter World Wine Awards
Vegani

Spier

Seaward Chardonnay - 2024
 € 15,59
Vegani Senza Solfiti Aggiunti

Audacia

Shiraz - 2022
 € 22,22

Boekenhoutskloof

Porcupine Ridge Sauvignon Blanc - 2024
 € 7,98
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De Grendel

Amandelboord Pinotage - 2022
 € 24,81

Boekenhoutskloof

Porcupine Ridge Chenin Blanc - 2024
 € 7,98

Delheim

Pinotage - 2023
 € 14,20

Boekenhoutskloof

Porcupine Ridge Chardonnay - 2024
 € 7,98
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Vegani

Spier

21 Gables Pinotage - 2020
 € 47,15

Beyerskloof

Chenin Blanc - Pinotage - 2024
 € 12,34
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Vegani

Spier

Seaward Shiraz - 2022
 € 17,42
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Alvi's Drift

221 Special Cuvee - 2022
 € 14,07
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Alvi's Drift

Albertus Viljoen Bismarck Red Blend - 2020
 € 33,34

Spier

Signature Sauvignon Blanc - 2025
 € 11,19
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Alvi's Drift

Reserve Drift Fusion - 2020
 € 24,38
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De Grendel

Op Die Berg Syrah - 2022
 € 24,81
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De Grendel

Shiraz - 2021
 € 18,64

Kwv

Classic Collection Chenin Blanc - 2024
 € 8,15
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Groot Constantia

Lady of Abundance - 2021
 € 15,31

Kwv

Classic Collection Sauvignon Blanc - 2025
 € 8,15
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Groot Constantia

Shiraz - 2022
 € 24,94
-15%

Diemersdal

Chardonnay Reserve - 2024
Sconto 15%€ 19,00€ 22,35
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Groot Constantia

Pinotage - 2023
 € 34,32
-15%

Lothian

Riesling - 2022
Sconto 15%€ 15,33€ 18,03
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Groot Constantia

Cabernet Sauvignon - 2022
 € 28,05
-15%
Decanter World Wine Awards

Lothian

Chardonnay - 2021
Sconto 15%€ 27,70€ 32,59
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Groot Constantia

Merlot - 2021
 € 27,90
IWSC International Wine & Spirit Competition

Whalehaven

Sandstone Strata Chardonnay - 2023
 € 25,19
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Alvi's Drift

Verreaux Pinotage - 2020
 € 50,87
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Whalehaven

Reserve Seascape Chardonnay - 2021
 € 34,94
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Idiom

Viognier - 2021
 € 23,58

Boekenhoutskloof

Porcupine Ridge Merlot - 2023
 € 10,38
-15%
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Kwv

The Mentor Chenin Blanc - 2022
Sconto 15%€ 26,14€ 30,75

Boekenhoutskloof

Porcupine Ridge Cabernet Sauvignon - 2024
 € 10,38
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Alvi's Drift

Reserve Sauvignon Blanc - 2023
 € 17,53

Boekenhoutskloof

Porcupine Ridge Syrah - 2024
 € 10,38
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Vegani

Spier

21 Gables Chenin Blanc - 2023
 € 36,37
-10%
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Boekenhoutskloof

Cabernet Sauvignon Franschhoek - 2022
Sconto 10%€ 42,74€ 47,49
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Morgenster

Reserve White - 2022
 € 38,28

Whalehaven

Shale Summit Pinot Noir - 2023
 € 25,19
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-10%
Vegani

Bellevue

The Reserve Collection Chenin Blanc - 2025
Sconto 10%€ 21,11€ 23,46
-10%
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Vegani

Boekenhoutskloof

Cabernet Sauvignon Stellenbosch - 2022
Sconto 10%€ 42,74€ 47,49
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Organici

Spier

Farmer Angus Organic Chenin Blanc - 2024
 € 41,49
Vegani Organici

Spier

Good Natured Organic Sauvignon Blanc - 2024
 € 12,39
-15%

Kanonkop

Kadette Pinotage - 2023
Sconto 15%€ 12,50€ 14,70
Organici Vegani

Spier

Good Natured Organic Chenin Blanc - 2024
 € 12,39
-15%

Kanonkop

Kadette Cape Blend - 2023
Sconto 15%€ 11,58€ 13,62
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Kanonkop

Pinotage - 2022
 € 45,43
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Spier

Yellow Wood Organic White Blend - 2024
 € 15,98
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Cederberg

Sauvignon Blanc - 2024
 € 16,41
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Kanonkop

Paul Sauer - 2022
 € 63,93

Cederberg

Five Generation Chenin Blanc - 2024
 € 41,49
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Vegani

Spier

Creative Block No. 3 - 2021
 € 26,42

Cederberg

Chenin Blanc - 2024
 € 13,83

Beyerskloof

Pinotage - 2023
 € 12,59

Beyerskloof

Synergy Cape Blend - 2022
 € 16,30
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Ghost Corner

Wild Ferment Sauvignon Blanc - 2023
 € 35,19
Vegani Senza Solfiti Aggiunti

Audacia

Chenin Blanc - 2023
 € 20,38
IWSC International Wine & Spirit Competition

Beyerskloof

Pinotage Reserve - 2023
 € 20,49
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Beyerskloof

Faith - 2018
 € 92,36
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Diemersfontein

The Clockmaker Old Vine Chenin Blanc - 2023
 € 33,46
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Alvi's Drift

Reserve Viognier - 2024
 € 17,53

Beyerskloof

Traildust - 2023
 € 20,87
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-15%
Vegani

La Motte

Chardonnay - 2023
Sconto 15%€ 12,07€ 14,20
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-15%
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La Motte

Pierneef Sauvignon Blanc - 2024
Sconto 15%€ 12,07€ 14,20

Alvi's Drift

221 Pinotage - 2024
 € 14,07
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Thokozani

Chenin Blanc - 2024
 € 15,07
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Groot Constantia

Gouverneurs Reserve White - 2024
 € 40,87
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Kanonkop

Black Label Pinotage - 2022
 € 231,61
-15%
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Kwv

The Mentor Pinotage - 2021
Sconto 15%€ 26,14€ 30,75

Kwv

Classic Collection Petit Verdot - 2024
 € 8,15

Kwv

Classic Collection Pinotage - 2024
 € 8,15

Kwv

Classic Collection Shiraz - 2024
 € 8,15

Diemersdal

Syrah Reserve - 2023
 € 22,47
-15%

Lothian

Pinot Noir - 2021
Sconto 15%€ 27,70€ 32,59
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Kanonkop

Pinotage - 2014
 € 70,74
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Porseleinberg

Syrah - 2021
 € 84,31
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Kanonkop

Pinotage Magnum - 2021
 € 94,32
Gilbert & Gaillard - International Challenge

Whalehaven

Reserve Earthscape Pinot Noir - 2021
 € 34,94

Idiom

Amphitheatre of Dreams Cape Red - 2024
 € 16,66
Gilbert & Gaillard - International Challenge ABSA Top 5 Cape Blend

Idiom

C Cape Blend - 2022
 € 39,64
Gilbert & Gaillard - International Challenge Decanter World Wine Awards

Idiom

R Rodanico Blend - 2018
 € 39,63
Gilbert & Gaillard - International Challenge

Idiom

Zinfandel - 2021
 € 26,42
-15%
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Kwv

The Mentor Perold Tributum - 2021
Sconto 15%€ 61,81€ 72,72

Beyerskloof

Diesel Pinotage - 2022
 € 117,07
-10%
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Boekenhoutskloof

Syrah - 2021
Sconto 10%€ 42,74€ 47,49

Dalla Cia

Giorgio - 2022
 € 42,59
-10%
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Bellevue

1953 Pinotage - 2020
Sconto 10%€ 75,79€ 84,21
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Bellevue

Cinsault - 2021
 € 12,47
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-10%
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Vegani

Bellevue

The Reserve Collection Pinotage - 2021
Sconto 10%€ 20,57€ 22,85
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Bellevue

Pinotage - 2019
 € 10,24
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Bellevue

Atticus Cape Blend - 2023
 € 16,05
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Organici

Spier

Farmer Angus Organic Red Blend - 2020
 € 51,37
Vegani Organici

Spier

Yellow Wood Organic Red Blend - 2020
 € 18,79
Organici Vegani

Spier

Good Natured Organic Shiraz - 2022
 € 12,39
Organici Vegani

Spier

Good Natured Organic Shiraz/Cabernet - 2023
 € 12,39
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-10%
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Porseleinberg

Syrah - 2022
Sconto 10%€ 75,88€ 84,31
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Cederberg

Shiraz - 2021
 € 29,50
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Cederberg

Cabernet Sauvignon - 2021
 € 28,02
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Ghost Corner

Pinot Noir - 2023
 € 35,19
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Ghost Corner

Syrah - 2022
 € 41,49
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Idiom

B Bordicon Blend - 2019
 € 52,10
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Groot Constantia

Gouverneurs Reserve Red - 2022
 € 44,32
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Diemersfontein

The Prodigy Pinotage - 2023
 € 10,86
new

Diemersfontein

Cabernet Sauvignon - 2023
 € 16,91
new
-15%
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Vegani

La Motte

Pierneef Atelier - 2019
Sconto 15%€ 23,62€ 27,79
new
-15%
Vegani

La Motte

Syrah - 2021
Sconto 15%€ 15,53€ 18,27
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Thokozani

Cabernet Franc - 2022
 € 16,91
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-10%
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Cape of Good Hope

Riebeeksrivier Syrah - 2020
Sconto 10%€ 12,11€ 13,45
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